When will Manifold pivot from the Pivot?
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2026
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By EOM Sept 2024
70%
By EOY 2024
77%
By EOY 2025
Resolved
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By EOM June 2024

Has to be a major shift in paradigm, but not necessarily a complete abandonment of the idea. As it might be fairly subjective, I won't bet.

Some directionality indicators that, individually, could cause me to resolve YES:

  • Running off in an entirely different direction with the platform

  • Abandoning real money rewards or sweepstakes model

  • Reversing the 10x devaluation

  • Completely reversing at least 4 of the following intended changes:

    • trader fees

    • removing loans

    • removing house subsidies

    • removing unique trader bonuses

    • removing bounties

    • removing N/As

    • forced verification

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bought Ṁ25 By EOM Sept 2024 YES

@Stralor obviously a subjective market, but IMO this announcement would count as YES for these:

Has to be a major shift in paradigm, but not necessarily a complete abandonment of the idea. As it might be fairly subjective, I won't bet.

this is certainly a major shift in paradigm. the original system announced, where mana bets resolve into prize points that can be withdrawn, is gone. now the systems are entirely separate. so it's likely that they'll reverse at least 4 of the intended changes below, but really the fundamental change from mana + PP connected system to mana & sweeps totally unconnected seems like a major paradigm shift (even if it's not completely abandoning the idea of real money payouts)

@Ziddletwix yeah I think this hits another point: mana deval was reversed-ish, since mana now costs 10x more, but also is worth ♾️ less. subjectively, this doesn't feel like an abandonment of the Pivot, it just feels like a doubling down.

but I hear your arguments and will chew on them. I'm not ready to resolve immediately, but they've indicated they might reverse a few of the other listed decisions, so this market is rightfully trending YES imo

What is forced verification? What if it's only for sweepstakes prizes

@nikki if it's opt in ("wanna do the sweeps? fill in this info") that's a change from the original plan. we talked about this below 😄

sold Ṁ49 By EOM June 2024 NO

oops, I bet. (I've immediately sold, sorry y'all)

just jumping in here to remind you all that reverting a commit because it isn't ready yet isn't a reversal of plans or policy, per the spirit of pivoting from the pivot, and won't resolve this YES

This made me think of what individual changes are most likely to be reversed. I feel like the most likely reversal is the removal of N/A resolutions, simply because they're often extremely necessary and I don't really see how they could possibly cause more problems than we'll have without them. Least likely is the tenfold devaluation because I don't really see how that could be reversed.

talking about exactly this with @Tumbles in the DMs a few minutes ago - can't imagine a world without the ability to NA

@PlasmaBallin did you see my theoretical way of handling the pivot that didn't need devaluation? it's linked in this market:

@Stralor I think that even if they pivot to something more like the bazaar after mana is already devalued, they won't increase mana's value back to what it was originally. And it doesn't seem like they've changed the initial plan for the pivot to be more like the bazaar, so it looks like it will get devalued no matter what.

@PlasmaBallin you're probably right! I'm hoping to steer them off that course

forced verification was removed

@nikki ah I wasn't sure if it was only partially implemented so far or abandoned. it's a start!

@nikki it's conditional now, right? post-pivot you'll need to verify if you want real cash prizes? or did they change their approach on that? (I didn't follow that conversation all the way through)